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0003990Far ManagerDialogpublic2024-02-09 12:44
Reporteralexfbg Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeveritymajorReproducibilityalways
Status newResolutionopen 
Platformx64OSWindowsOS Version2012
Product Version3.0 
Summary0003990: FAR 3.0.6116 "Search" dialog in Editor/Viewer is damaged now - no working reverse search, no hotkeys
Description1) Previous builds of FAR had a "[ ] Hex search" option for Search dialog. Now this option is absent at all. So, how to search for Hex?

I found that in changelog:
MZK 2023-01-22 09:32:07-08:00 - build 6096
1. Added "Search for Hex" functionality to the unified SearchReplace dialog.
   Internal implementation only; no user-visible changes are expected.

2) Previous build of FAR had an option "[ ] Reverse Search" with a HotKey "Alt+V" (I used it all my practice). It's worked well.
Now this checkbox is removed, hotkey is removed and now there is a button "Search up" with hotkey "u".
But on practice this "Search Up" button (functionality) is not working.
Steps To ReproduceFor example, I have an UFT-8 file with a few strings "dohod" inside. If I searching from the top of file to the end, using "Search down", then Shift+F7, Shift+F7, Shift+F7, ..., all is working fine. Search down is working. But if I moving cursor to the end of file and trying to "Search Up" - it find the first one from the end, but if I pressing "Shift+F7" to search upper... it doesn't find anything more. So, reverse search (search up) is totally broken with combination of Shift+F7 (Next). But if press "F7", then again "Search Up" - it will find a new string upper (and you can continue to search using again - F7, Search Up, but not "Next"). So, Search Up is working, but it is broken a combination of "Search Up" and then "Next" (Shift+F7).
Additional InformationIt seems that someone decide to change a common a very usable dialogs without a votes and old UX-compatibility
Tagsdialog, hotkey, Search
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alexfbg

2023-04-18 02:51

reporter   bugnote:0017413

Found in changelog:
==========================================
MZK 2023-03-07 20:13:03-08:00 - build 6114
1. gh-600: Shift+F7 and Alt+F7 now search in absolute directions (down or up respectfully)
   instead of reversing the direction defined by the last invocation of the Search / Replace dialog.
   Also, on the dialog itself, replaced "Reverse" checkbox with "Search Down / Up" buttons.
==========================================

How this changes maybe done without any vote/etc, just broke a many years of UX of FAR?

alexfbg

2023-04-18 12:54

reporter   bugnote:0017414

It seems that historical UI/UX for xUSSR software is changed now by the copying UX from different US-based software (like Total/Windows Commander, Explorer, Visual Studio and some others) - that always had a different interfaces/dialogs/hotkeys. And this difference is really huge.
I think this is not a correct behavior to allow such changes.

HaRT

2023-04-21 01:36

reporter   bugnote:0017415

Last edited: 2023-04-21 03:38

Previous builds of FAR had a "[ ] Hex search" option for Search dialog. Now this option is absent at all. So, how to search for Hex?

alexfbg
Editor search did not have the Hex option, Viewer search still has it, see the new radio button above the search text edit field. And it still has a hotkey.

I pressing "Shift+F7" to search upper...

alexfbg
It's wrong, now Shift+F7 searches down, Alt+F7 searches up — regardless of which button you used in the dialog. Please refer to the updated Help.

UI/UX for xUSSR software is changed now by the copying UX from different US-based software

alexfbg
The changes have nothing to do with xUSSR/USA/PRC/DRC or any other country. Please don't bring unnecessary discord into FAR community.

alexfbg

2023-04-25 14:37

reporter   bugnote:0017418

The main sense/goal of that ticket, that common very usable dialogs that exists for a years are changed dramatically without any votes, just by one person decision. I think it is wrong practice for a big users base.

For example, different behaviour of Shift+F7, missing hotkey Alt+V - these are the habits for a years.

It's wrong, now Shift+F7 searches down, Alt+F7 searches up — regardless of which button you used in the dialog. Please refer to the updated Help.

HaRT
I see this, because I copied text from changelog. But why this behavior were changed from a previous one? It exists for many-many years.

Now it is like someone will change all bottom bar keys functionality (F1-F10) to other, just mixing up. So, all custom use for users for many years are now broken.

The changes have nothing to do with xUSSR/USA/PRC/DRC or any other country. Please don't bring unnecessary discord into FAR community.

HaRT
It was not a political phrase (sorry), I mean a different many-years-practice in different regions. (For example, you can compare hotkeys for search/replace in NC/VC/FAR vs Explorer/Word/Excel/etc).

raandom

2024-02-09 12:44

reporter   bugnote:0017517

I agree that Far UI is written in muscle memory and it shall not be changed without possibility to return to original style.

Issue History

Date Modified Username Field Change
2023-04-18 02:42 alexfbg New Issue
2023-04-18 02:42 alexfbg Tag Attached: dialog
2023-04-18 02:42 alexfbg Tag Attached: hotkey
2023-04-18 02:42 alexfbg Tag Attached: Search
2023-04-18 02:51 alexfbg Note Added: 0017413
2023-04-18 12:54 alexfbg Note Added: 0017414
2023-04-21 01:36 HaRT Note Added: 0017415
2023-04-21 03:38 HaRT Note Edited: 0017415
2023-04-25 14:37 alexfbg Note Added: 0017418
2024-02-09 12:44 raandom Note Added: 0017517