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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0003990 | Far Manager | Dialog | public | 2023-04-18 02:42 | 2024-02-09 12:44 |
| Reporter | alexfbg | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | normal | Severity | major | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | new | Resolution | open | ||
| Platform | x64 | OS | Windows | OS Version | 2012 |
| Product Version | 3.0 | ||||
| Summary | 0003990: FAR 3.0.6116 "Search" dialog in Editor/Viewer is damaged now - no working reverse search, no hotkeys | ||||
| Description | 1) Previous builds of FAR had a "[ ] Hex search" option for Search dialog. Now this option is absent at all. So, how to search for Hex? I found that in changelog: MZK 2023-01-22 09:32:07-08:00 - build 6096 1. Added "Search for Hex" functionality to the unified SearchReplace dialog. Internal implementation only; no user-visible changes are expected. 2) Previous build of FAR had an option "[ ] Reverse Search" with a HotKey "Alt+V" (I used it all my practice). It's worked well. Now this checkbox is removed, hotkey is removed and now there is a button "Search up" with hotkey "u". But on practice this "Search Up" button (functionality) is not working. | ||||
| Steps To Reproduce | For example, I have an UFT-8 file with a few strings "dohod" inside. If I searching from the top of file to the end, using "Search down", then Shift+F7, Shift+F7, Shift+F7, ..., all is working fine. Search down is working. But if I moving cursor to the end of file and trying to "Search Up" - it find the first one from the end, but if I pressing "Shift+F7" to search upper... it doesn't find anything more. So, reverse search (search up) is totally broken with combination of Shift+F7 (Next). But if press "F7", then again "Search Up" - it will find a new string upper (and you can continue to search using again - F7, Search Up, but not "Next"). So, Search Up is working, but it is broken a combination of "Search Up" and then "Next" (Shift+F7). | ||||
| Additional Information | It seems that someone decide to change a common a very usable dialogs without a votes and old UX-compatibility | ||||
| Tags | dialog, hotkey, Search | ||||
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Found in changelog: ========================================== MZK 2023-03-07 20:13:03-08:00 - build 6114 1. gh-600: Shift+F7 and Alt+F7 now search in absolute directions (down or up respectfully) instead of reversing the direction defined by the last invocation of the Search / Replace dialog. Also, on the dialog itself, replaced "Reverse" checkbox with "Search Down / Up" buttons. ========================================== How this changes maybe done without any vote/etc, just broke a many years of UX of FAR? |
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It seems that historical UI/UX for xUSSR software is changed now by the copying UX from different US-based software (like Total/Windows Commander, Explorer, Visual Studio and some others) - that always had a different interfaces/dialogs/hotkeys. And this difference is really huge. I think this is not a correct behavior to allow such changes. |
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Editor search did not have the Hex option, Viewer search still has it, see the new radio button above the search text edit field. And it still has a hotkey. It's wrong, now Shift+F7 searches down, Alt+F7 searches up — regardless of which button you used in the dialog. Please refer to the updated Help. The changes have nothing to do with xUSSR/USA/PRC/DRC or any other country. Please don't bring unnecessary discord into FAR community. |
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The main sense/goal of that ticket, that common very usable dialogs that exists for a years are changed dramatically without any votes, just by one person decision. I think it is wrong practice for a big users base. For example, different behaviour of Shift+F7, missing hotkey Alt+V - these are the habits for a years. I see this, because I copied text from changelog. But why this behavior were changed from a previous one? It exists for many-many years. Now it is like someone will change all bottom bar keys functionality (F1-F10) to other, just mixing up. So, all custom use for users for many years are now broken. It was not a political phrase (sorry), I mean a different many-years-practice in different regions. (For example, you can compare hotkeys for search/replace in NC/VC/FAR vs Explorer/Word/Excel/etc). |
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I agree that Far UI is written in muscle memory and it shall not be changed without possibility to return to original style. |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2023-04-18 02:42 | alexfbg | New Issue | |
| 2023-04-18 02:42 | alexfbg | Tag Attached: dialog | |
| 2023-04-18 02:42 | alexfbg | Tag Attached: hotkey | |
| 2023-04-18 02:42 | alexfbg | Tag Attached: Search | |
| 2023-04-18 02:51 | alexfbg | Note Added: 0017413 | |
| 2023-04-18 12:54 | alexfbg | Note Added: 0017414 | |
| 2023-04-21 01:36 | HaRT | Note Added: 0017415 | |
| 2023-04-21 03:38 | HaRT | Note Edited: 0017415 | |
| 2023-04-25 14:37 | alexfbg | Note Added: 0017418 | |
| 2024-02-09 12:44 | raandom | Note Added: 0017517 |
